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Friday, January 30, 2009

Information from: Mrs. Christiana Morrison

ECGMA says: Another sample of an email spam/scam.

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Mrs. Christiana Morrison <>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:41:15 PM
Subject: Information from: Mrs. Christiana Morrison

International Payment Auditor
Minister of Finance
Federal Republic of Nigeria

Hello My Dear,
I am Mrs. Christiana Morrison, the International Payment Auditor Federal Ministry of Finance Nigeria ; I know this mail will surprise you but you've to bear with me over the explanations of matters on this join business. Very important I saw your contact on Internet when I was searching for trustful person to help with this deal. On December 6th, 2000, the Federal Government of Nigeria award a contract of Aba Port Harcourt road construction to Dr. Mark Green Allen (an American) the contract value sum was twenty seven million five Hundred united state dollars (US$27,500,000.00) and the Federal Government of Nigeria paid the contractor (Dr. Mark Green Allen) US$20,000,000.00 as part payment while the balance US$7,500,000.00 was not been pay upto date.

In contract agreement started that the contract balance will be paid after completion of the contract and the contract was completed on 26th July 2002, it was last year that the Contract Awarding Office, Contract Clearance Office, Presidential Office and Central Bank of Nigeria approve issuing a secular for this payment the contract balance.

Upon maturity, we have sent notification to his forwarding address over his secular approve for payment US$7,500,000.00 but got no reply. After a month, we sent a reminder we discovered from his contract employer that Dr. Mark Green Allen had died. Further investigations conducted by me indicated that he neither left a WILL nor a contactable next of kin or a relation in his entire official document. You can confirm the genuineness of the deceased death by clicking on this website:

This amount is still available to be paid, According to our Country's Law, at the expiration of ten (10) years; this money will be reverted to the Ownership of the Government, which in turn will end up in the hands of some very corrupt and unscrupulous Government Officials.
Consequently, as International Payment Auditor Federal Ministry of Finance Nigeria my proposal is that, I will like you to stand as his next of kin to enable claim this money so that this old man's fruit of labor does not get into the hands of uncaring Government Officials there are legions of less privileged people all over the world for whom a meal is like paradise other than allowing this money to disappear.

I will hire attorney who would provide expert services to procure this documents Affidavit of Oath and Contract Award Certificate after the submission of the documents to you you will personally apply directly to Contract Clearance Office and Contract Awarding Office with the documents for the release of the sum to be transfer to your account while I shall use my position in the office to guarantee the successful execution of this transaction.

If you're Interested send your information for documents procurement:
1) Your Full Name:
2) Home Address/ Tele/ Mobile
3) Marital Stators/ Sex/ Age
4) Occupation/ Country Code

Furthermore I wish to point out that I want 30% of th

Thursday, January 29, 2009

From Ahmed Sabir Urgent Reply Needed to Transfer 30.2 Million GBP

ECGMA says: I can't believe there are people gullible to fall for such scam!

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: sabir <>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:25:44 PM
Subject: From Ahmed Sabir Urgent Reply Needed to Transfer 30.2 Million GBP

Re: Private and Confidential

I have interest of investing in your country as well as seek your services in a private and confidential matter. My Name is Mr. Ahmed Sabir, a citizen of United Kingdom Nationality Sudan; I am a senior Auditor heading computing department here in our bank Islamic Bank of Britain, our website:

On my routine inspection I discovered that the sum of Ј30.2 Million GBP was deposited into an account that has been dormant for over Six years. The account belongs to the late Dr. Mohammed Azim, a Citizen of Iran naturalized in United Kingdom and contractor.
Since we got information about his death, we have been expecting his next of kin or business associate to come and claim his money because it cannot be released unless somebody applies for it as next of kin or business associate to the deceased as indicated in our banking guidelines but unfortunately, all his supposed next of kin or relation died along with him at the plane crash leaving nobody behind for the claim. You can read more about the crash on visiting this site:,I write to seek your indulgence and assistance in transferring this fund to your country through legal means as next of kin or business associates.

I am proposing to make this transfer to a designated bank account of your choice in your country for investment. At the conclusion of this transaction, you will be given 30% of the total amount, 5% will go on every expenses during the transaction, on the condition that you will help me to invest my own 65% in your country.

If you can handle this deal, do not hesitate to give me your phone number and contact address.

Reply all your details to my direct mail:


Mr. Ahmed Sabir
My tell: +447024019661

Wednesday, January 28, 2009


ECGMA says: Wow! Aren't I the luckiest guy in the world to be chosen!! WTO from Thailand, wow!

----- Forwarded Message ----
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:56:35 AM

World Trade Organization(WTO).
Serial number 03571-12,
Winning number N-222-6747.
Congratulations for been chosen among our recipients.
Compliment of the day, this is to notify you that you have been chosen by the Board of trustees of the WTO and ASIA UNION based in ASIA, as one of the final recipients our Grant Donation for your personal development to mark the year 2009.
Your email address came out among the ten recipients in the internet category to receive US$850,000.00 (Eight Hundred And Fifty Thousand United State Dollars) each, for upliftment of your enviroment. Do contact your Claims Director with the below information, Remember to send him your identification number's.Your identification number's is (Serial number 03571-12, Winning number N-222-6747).
Do fill and send the below information also...
Contact Claims Director:
3. SEX/AGE: 4. PHONE #:
On behalf of the Board kindly accept our warmest congratulations.
Yours faithfully,
Mrs.Rosemary Tata
Association Information officer.
Copyright ? 2009 ASIA UNION Projects Association Inc.

True Love

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ECGMA says: My buddy, Albert K, brought these pics to my attention as attachments via email. I viewed them and was compelled to produce this video slide for this loving family. Unfortunately, I don't know their names, even their surname. If anyone knows, please do comment under this blogpost and let me know. I would appreciate that very much. Here is the video slide clip, my personal dedication to this family for their TRUE LOVE.

Tuesday, January 27, 2009

From Useni Muhamed

ECGMA says: Another blatant email spam/scam. He CRAVES my indulgence?!?! What a prick!

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Useni Muhamed <>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 5:28:35 PM
Subject: From Useni Muhamed

From Useni Muhamed
Abidjan Cote d棚voire ,
West Africa.
I crave your indulgence at this mail coming from somebody you have not known before. I decided to do this after praying over the situation. You should please consider the transaction on its content and not the fact that you have not known me before. I need not dwell on how I came by your contact information because there are many such possibilities these days.
I am Useni Muhamed, 21years old and my younger sister Mariam Muhamed we are the children of our late parents Alhaji Isah Muhamed from a Royal family in Ghana . My father was a highly reputable business merchant (cocoa merchant) who operated in the capital of Ivory Coast during his days. It is sad to say that he passed away mysteriously in France during one of his business trips abroad year 12th.Febuary 2007. Though his sudden death was linked or rather suspected to have been masterminded by an uncle of his who travelled with him at that time, but Allah knows the truth!!
Our mother died when I was 13 years old and since then our father took us so special. Before my fathers death on 12th Febuary2007, he told me that he has the sum of Eleven million seven hundred thousand United State Dollars (USD$11.700, 000) left in one of the security company in Abidjan the capital city of Cote d棚voire . He deposited the fund in a metallic trunk box as containing family valuable that belongs to a foreign partner. He further told me that he deposited the box in my name as all the documents bears my name as the depositor and for the Security company not to open the box or rather suspect it content, he therefore made the beneficiary as foreign partner.
I am just 21 years old a university undergraduate and my only younger Sister is 18years old and really we cannot handle this transaction alone without the help of a foreign partner. So please with all due respect, I am contacting you with due sense of humanity and responsibility and with few awareness that you will give it a sympathetic and mutual consideration.
I am honourably seeking your assistance in the following ways.
(1) Can you honestly help us as your family?
(2) Can you serve as the guardian of this fund and also to contact the security company here for retrieving and the shipment of this box to you in your country diplomatically?
(3) Can you help us to make arrangement for us to come over to your country to further our education and to secure a residential permit for us in your country?
(4) Can you provide good investment plans for the fund and also to manage the fund on a profitable investment?
Moreover, I am willing to offer you 20% of the total sum as compensation for your effort/input after the successful shipment of this box to your country before the investments starts. And I have also mapped out 5% of the total sum to cover any expenses during the course of this transaction.
Please consider this and get back to me as soon as possible.
My sincere regards,
Useni Muhamed.

Monday, January 26, 2009

You know you're Australian if....

ECGMA says: Ha!ha! Thanks Doug!

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:21:27 AM
Subject: You know you're Australian if....

You know the meaning of 'girt'

You believe that stubbies can either be worn or drunk

You think it is normal to have a Prime Minister called Kevin

You waddle when you walk due to the 53 expired petrol discount vouchers stuffed in your wallet or purse

When you hear that an American 'roots for his team' you wonder how often and with whom

You understand that the phrase 'a group of women wearing black thongs' refers to footwear and may be less alluring than it sounds

You pronounce Melbourne as 'Mel-bin'

You pronounce Penrith as 'Pen-riff'

You believe the 'L' in the word ' Australia ' is optional

You can translate: 'Dazza and Shazza played Acca Dacca on the way to Maccas'

You believe it makes perfect sense for a nation to decorate its highways with large fibreglass bananas, prawns and sheep

You think 'Woolloomooloo' is a perfectly reasonable name for a place

You believe is makes sense for a country to have a $1 coin that's twice as big as its $2 coin

You understand that 'Wagga Wagga' can be abbreviated to 'Wagga' but 'Woy Woy' can't be called 'Woy'

You believe that cooked-down axlegrease makes a good breakfast spread

You believe all famous Kiwis are actually Australian, until they stuff up, at which point they again become Kiwis

You know, whatever the tourist books say, that no one says 'cobber'

You believe, as an article of faith, that the confectionary known as the Wagon Wheel has become smaller with every passing year

You still don't get why the 'Labor' in 'Australian Labor Party' is not spelt with a 'u'

You wear ugg boots outside the house

You believe that the more you shorten someone's name the more you like them

Whatever your linguistic skills, you find yourself able to order takeaway fluently in every Asian language

You know what it's like to swallow a fly, on occasions via your nose

You understand that 'you' has a plural and that it's 'youse' even though its completely incorrect grammatically

You know it's not summer until the steering wheel is too hot to handle

Your biggest family argument over the summer concerned the rules of beach cricket

You shake your head in horror when companies try to market what they call 'Anzac cookies'

You still think of Kylie as 'that girl off Neighbours'

When returning home from overseas, you expect to be brutally strip-searched by Customs - just in case you're trying to sneak in fruit

You believe the phrase 'smart casual' refers to a pair of black tracky-daks, suitably laundered

You understand that all train timetables are works of fiction

When working at a bar, you understand male customers will feel the need to offer an excuse whenever they order low-alcohol beer

You get choked up with emotion by the first verse of the national anthem and then have trouble remembering the second

You find yourself ignorant of nearly all the facts deemed essential in the government's new test for migrants.

You will immediately forward this list to other Australians, here and overseas, realising that only they will understand!!

Friday, January 23, 2009

Five World Records You Do Not Want To Hold...

Obama's 1st Decision

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NAB faces losses over Satyam fraud

Thanks Cliffy! I read the readers' comments, agree wholeheartedly with them!

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Cliffy
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:14:14 AM
Subject: NAB faces losses over Satyam fraud,25197,24942112-15306,00.html

NAB faces losses over Satyam fraud

Mahesh Sharma | January 21, 2009

NATIONAL Australia Bank could be forced to write off millions of dollars invested in its offshoring program as a result of the Satyam corporate fraud scandal.

NAB is one of Satyam's biggest customers in Australia and has already made a significant investment on training and transition costs and redundancy payouts as part of its information technology offshoring (ITO) program.

Satyam founder B. Ramalinga Raju last week admitted exaggerating profitability and assets.

Insiders said the bank would face hefty losses if it brought the work back onshore.

"This initial investment was meant to be repaid over the next five years with lower maintenance costs," one source told The Australian. "If NAB breaks out of the ITO wave 1 contract now, there will be large losses of that initial investment which can never be recouped."

Around 90 Satyam staff service NAB, with about 40 per cent based in Australia.

The bank has offshored key technology functions to Satyam, exposing it to significant risk if this service were interrupted.

"It has literally 'bet the bank' with entrusting its key applications to Satyam," a source said.

"Without these applications being successfully supported and maintained, the NAB could not continue to operate."

The Australian understands it will take at least a year for NAB to transfer the work in-house and that the relevant expertise doesn't exist within the bank to service this.

"Most of the staff displaced by ITO wave 1 have been given redundancy packages and long left the NAB" the source said.

"It would take at least 12 months and considerable expense to bring ITO wave 1 applications back in-house."

The bank has a number of contingency plans, spokeswoman Kerrina Lawrence said, and has a core group of internal and external staff capable of performing the work if required.

"NAB's priority is ... seamless service. All business-critical support is performed by NAB's Australian team members."

Qantas is monitoring its relationship with Satyam, as it has more than $US135 million of contracts with Satyam, according to analyst firm IDC.

Your Comments:

44 Comment(s)

Bobi of IN-NDLS 5:53pm today

Emotions are not enough to run the business! If someone is working for NAB for 20 yrs... what exactly he/she was doing? what skills that person has acquired in past 20yrs... 4 yrs young boys are replacing them.. what that shows... that shows that they were doing nothing much.. Neither they were adding anything to the company nor to their skill sets... and if Management outsource such routine tasks to protect shareholders investment, keep the cost under control.. then who is responsible? why management thinks that young boy can replace a person of his father%u2019s or mother%u2019s age? It is everywhere... week technical skills will be replaced by either strong one if the cost is same or the cheap one if the better skills are available or enough to manage the show... management is not outsourcing everything to get hefty bonuses... but they are working on the behalf of shareholders to minimize TCO and increase ROI... why all NAB activities not outsourced? bcoz Management have identified most routine activities which will not impact the business directly... why the outsourcing is happening in phases (waves)... it is nothing but to identify the unknown risks and bring them under control by risk mitigation planning... I think - outsourcing will NOT STOP, but client will just ensure that they will have enough with them to run the business to minimize the negative impact of unknown issues on the CORE business activities.... Change and Outsource are words of Year 2009... wait for 2010 if you have patience... another work will come%u2026

Abouttime of Melbourne 4:15pm today

Any organisation that outsources their core systems without a backup plan deserve what they get. The person in NAB who signed off on such a proposal should start looking for a new job, but in Corporate Australia you never know maybe they will get a promotion.

Australian Bank IT Worker of Sydney 2:16pm today

Outsourcing/offshoring IT is a risk vs return decision. The bigger the return, the bigger the risk involved. Banks believe they have calculated the risk and return for offsourcing IT, and, for the moment, it looks good. I guess both the sub-prime crisis and Satyam fraud show that the risk calculations can be lacking.

Robyn of Bingara 8:18am today

Couldn't happen to a nicer organisation. They have screwed over so many people, that now they get done. Wonderful

ollie of sydney 6:41am today

despite constant pleas from staff, Satyam continues to provide sub standard services to Qantas as it would appear the higher ups are in it up to their necks. A war room was convened after the fraud news. Trouble is the actually sacked the staff who ran the Qantas operations well for years and have left themselves in a mire.

Displaced of Melbourne 3:43am today

I worked for NAB for 20 years and was made redundant. A young fresher from India took my role and was given a 12 month working visa on the grounds of 'a skill shortage'.Thanks NAB or should I say NIB.

Matthew of Melbourne 12:23am today

To Pete of Melbourne. My information (and I am not in a position to verify it) is that support of all core banking systems is being outsourced to Satyam.

Jay of Melbourne 12:06am today

I do not do business with any company that sends jobs overseas. Close your NAB accounts. Simple as that.

Matthew of Melbourne 11:51pm January 21, 2009

I can feel a Homeside coming on. I think the losses in that debacle were about 4 billion. You need to have crap for brains to risk your critical business functions like NAB does. Save a dollar and lose the bank. What a deal. The bank cannot function without IT. So who is the bean counting smartarse that is going to stand up and say, "This was my idea"?

Ravi of Bangalore 9:24pm January 21, 2009

Guys nothing to panic..... its only one case.... Govt is taking all measures to protect Satyam and its Clients...Business always comes with Risk....

Joe Millingham of Sydney 9:12pm January 21, 2009

Stop this trashy "two-pence-sensationalist" journalism. It's sidestepping the main issue of how any proper outsourcing governance is put in place and how risks are mitigated. If you dont outsource or offshore, the reality is the costs are going to hit the common working class man like me harder, with what banks and institutions slap on us as service charges for a sloppy service they would provide. and it would take ages to implement newer techologies. So let's get real.

pete of melbourne 6:04pm January 21, 2009

Panic journalism. 90 Satyam employees only? NAB had at least 800 last time I heard, and the main transaction applications are all still in Australia. I find it hard to believe from this 'source' that any of the serious software was being run from India. Qantas on the other hand: a $135m contract would suggest a frightening exposure to this second rate Indian outfit.

Dr. Ramu 6 degrees and MBA of Melbourne 5:50pm January 21, 2009

I wish there was a bank of India office next door here in Melbourne - I'd outsurce my home loan account at 1.95% and not pay any Australian taxes to them ... hang on that's a tax evasion offence.

John of Melbourne 5:46pm January 21, 2009

I'm part of NAB's WAVE 2 with my job and the rest of the department about to be replaced by Satyam. We are praying that sanity will prevail and NAB management will put aside the thoughts of their bonuses and place the local employees and the company first.

No real difference of Melbourne 5:18pm January 21, 2009

No real difference who is working for NAB.May it be a 20yr experienced man or a 4 yr exp. boy. the bank faced a similar situation 5 years ago when the mighty experienced staff were ashamed to call out they worked for NAB. This is purely a matter of individual who has let the service company down and not the service as such.. It is true that less experienced are taking over the 20yr experienced but all that matters is 'job done' and it is being done well.

Greg of Brisbane 4:59pm January 21, 2009

I now work part-time, contract to contract precisely because I was made redundant and the company's IT was off-shored. It is still happening and hopefully now that this has occurred some other people will not have the same problems. I was thinking of retiring anyway, so the part time work is fine, but others with young families are not so lucky and in some cases this has broken up families, etc. The social impacts are never reported.

Raj of Sydney 4:52pm January 21, 2009

I love reading this kind of story, did I say I didn't own any share in NAB? But please make it clears here, outsourcing does not mean AU loose skill. It is the offshoring that we ought to be concerned. NO government or institutions that hold their citizen identity and finance information should be offshoring their IT, period.

Lisa of Melbourne 4:40pm January 21, 2009

It serves NAB right for sacrificing quality, skills, and Australian jobs for the lowest common tender application. With the trend to all the offshoring, the Banks and big business should be taxed higher to make up for the unemployment and strain they put on the Australian economy. Ahmed Fahour will still get his bonus, and John Stewart has skulked away to testra. yet once again Australian consumers and workers are made to pay the price.

oldtimer of Melbourne 4:37pm January 21, 2009

All money a company spends on IT must compete with money it needs for investment and thats a bottom-line axiom. Outsourcing (incorrectly) provides a fixed-cost attraction which satisfies senior executives and quite frankly is what the market place demands from any large company. Fix your costs, reduce your overheads, make more money, pay a bigger dividend. If we want Australian companies to invest more in their local communities then tax incentives and overheads for off-shoring is the way to go.

Disillusioned NABster of Brisbane 3:46pm January 21, 2009

I'm a NAB employee who will be dealing in future directly with Satyam as our IT area is STILL training this people to take over their roles. From the first annoucement that NAB was investigating outsourcing for IT myself and my team members have been horrified. We already have an excellent working relationship with our IT team, and they have more than 20 years experience with some very difficult and old databases. Its our worst nightmare. With the recent news and ongoing saga you can imagine that we're thrilled that its come back to bite NAB hard (even though we work here). Such a foolish decision, made after World Bank blacklisted Satyam, which should have sent alarm bells ringing with higher management here in nab that Satyam was perhaps not the best or soundest business decision to make?(That is of course providing the decision was made based on whats best forthe business and not based on what makes the best bonuses for higher management). NAB is of course still in damage control, and it will be a long time before we really have a solid outcome (is anyone brave enough in management to say 'Oops I made a mistake??). But until then I will continue to watch with glee and delight as more bad news falls NAB's way.

Tooson of sydney of sydney 2:32pm January 21, 2009

I'm a 20 year veteran in IT, the last 5 years in such a bank, when my kids ask what uni course they should do, I say engineering, the bank has no interest in developing it's own IT staff, of course we get the usual HR rubbish, but it's just smoke and mirrors.........

buster of of sydney 2:32pm January 21, 2009

Companies who move IT & Call centres offshore, should be taxed especially for the amount of revenue they deprive from the local community... Insurance,Super investments, and so on,and all the many parts of life that people generate by being employed

ExpatConsultant of SE Asia 2:16pm January 21, 2009

I have worked with most of the major Indian software companies in Australia and around SE Asia , mostly as a senior techinal lead for the lead vendor who then engages the Indians to provide the resources. It is unfair to tar these companies with the Satyam brush. Satyam has always been by far in my opinion the inferior of these providers whose business model seems to be undercut the price like crazy and hope that you somehow either manage to deliver something (usually of substandard quality) or that the purchaser will be too proud to admit they made a mistake and pay them to go away. There are good Indian consultants out there doing good work. A number of them will become members of the Australian IT workforce in years to come. I stress to them that they need to work to get rid of the incompentant (and potential criminal)within their industry that give a bad name to all by association.

Simon of Sydney 2:15pm January 21, 2009

Just prooves that business people do not learn and do not deserve the large remuneration packages they recieve. This stupid behaviour is driven by the short term incentives of business executives. Cut cost this year to get your bonus regardless of the impact to the business. Make sure that you re-org the following year to reset all measures and drive an intangible outcome the following year. Net result is that everyone gets their bonus, medium term performance is never measured and the shareholders and customers are the looers.

See this... :-) of Asia 2:10pm January 21, 2009

Guys, this is exactly the reaction the writer want to evoke, And that will force nab to make lossess. Why are you guys bieng so foolish?? Sudhiiii...

LizzyLou of Melbourne 2:02pm January 21, 2009

Having been long involved in anti offshoring campaigns, I'm with Helmet Cheese of Perth but not so polite about it! In light of all the assurances given about the viability and strength of the offshored IT providers and this collapse, all the assurances about data security must now be questioned again and how soon will it be before Australians personal information becomes public property through a lapse of security. NAB were warned time and time again about the potential for this kind of thing and constantly with utter arrogance refuted any suggestion that offshoring could be a bad move. Lets hope this is the beginning of the end of offshoring...though with greed and profit as the driver, it's not likely.

Old Trout of Melbourne 1:55pm January 21, 2009

You'd like to think that other Australian organisations would heed this warning and focus on using local staff, but I'm afraid my faith in their management abilities to detect the staggeringly obvious rather than simply agreeing with a set of numbers produced by an accountant with not a shred of understanding of what it takes to run an IT organisation, is not that strong.

rc of melb 1:49pm January 21, 2009

nice one NAB. unbelievable.

Squalid of Melbourne 1:36pm January 21, 2009

As one of the shaftees of this exercise, I was horrified when it happened, not so much for my own good (jobs were plentiful back then), but more because of the fact that I saw a team that we had built that was second to none destroyed within a matter of months. The in-depth experience within that team was the envy of the other Australian banks who must have been laughin into their sleeves when it happened - they were able to recruit the people that they had been after for years. I cannot believe that corporations are ready to squander such valuable resources for a quick short term hit to the bottom line knowing that there will be long term pain. Bill Gates has said that if you were to remove 20 or so key resources within Microsoft, the company would founder in very short order. It's not the cash on the balance sheet that makes it strong, it's the people, knowledge and culture contained within its walls that make it strong. I just hope that others will learn from this debacle, and that NAB manages to salvage something in these difficult times.

John of Perth 1:14pm January 21, 2009

I think it's time their CTO was made to walk the plank. It's hard to feel sympathy when they wipe out skilled Australian jobs, particularly when making record profits. Perhaps we should offshore or outsource the board and senior execs! I expect we'll see a glib press release issued soon.

Barney of Sydney 1:02pm January 21, 2009

I've been in IT long enough to see the aftermath of several IT outsourcing disasters. In theory it is OK to outsource. In reality, it just creates another link in the chain that can easily break. The problem is that new IT managers are not street-wise and follow like sheep rather than lead as they are paid to do. Outsource - sure - but even in theory you are taught to have proper contingency plans in place as each of these links are a potential disaster that can happen. If I am running mission-critical apps, I prefer to have total in-house control, whatever the cost - one less link that can break. Let's see what 7-Eleven have to say in 12 months time (as an example), as they are putting all their eggs in the one basket.

Anon 12:48pm January 21, 2009

I have to say that the old adage 'you sow what you reap' holds true. It serves NAB right for ruthlessly cost-cutting, outsourcing and destroying Australian employee confidence and job security. Let this be a lesson to all those high paid executives with their powerpoint presentations and forecasts who decided on outsourcing that it's real experience and results that count. And it is here where NAB have been (deservingly) left wanting. May they learn their lesson and not continue to throw away good money after the bad. I would hope that the IT staff made redundant by the bank have now found more rewarding careers where their work is better appreciated.

Simon 12:23pm January 21, 2009

All shareholders want a please explain. The key figures who own this plan of sacking Australians and sending their jobs offshore to save a few bucks better start giving of their own riches to pay for their shortsightedness. As a shareholder I am angry, very angry. The NAB used to be one of the better banks to own shares in - now they are a basket case

IT Executives are sheep of Melbourne 12:02pm January 21, 2009

Since when is spending millions sacking experienced & knowledgable staff in order to hand your IT support to a bunch of recent IT & management Graduates considered an "Investment" ?

wayne of Perth 11:38am January 21, 2009

Here we go again, the customer will have to pay for the banks inept management of a simple process just because they wanted to save a few dollars. I think the board members should pay for this out of their own funds, they placed the bank in this position, they should pay.

ex NAB mainframer of VIC 11:28am January 21, 2009

I left NAB at the end of November. I know that good knowledgable people have been let go, and I hope they have all found new work like I have. Shame on the bank for thinking the very core fundamentals of what they do (how often is a branch required for a customer these days?) can be considered so lightly and I hope the consequences of lazy management trying to get someone else to do their work for less, costs them dearly.

Steve of Perth 11:22am January 21, 2009

IT inftrastructure is the backbone of all operations in the modern world. IT needs to be treated as one of the most protected and secure assets by government and by business, especially for banks, where everything it owns is represented by a bunch of ones and zeros stored in a database somewhere. You could argue that a bank's IT infrastructure is more important than it's physical cash holdings, hundreds of times over, yet you would be hard pressed to find any bank that outsourced the safe storage of its cash to an overseas company. NAB's potentially disastrous situation has come about due to its senior management having a typcially biased background in law and accounting, completely taking for granted how fundamental and important IT infrastructure has become in the modern world.

Roger the Shrubber of Melbourne 10:43am January 21, 2009

... and I bet that they never fully investigated the mitigations to these significant risks because they simply thought "it could never happen". Agree whole heartedly with Sidd of Perth - rampant and indiscriminate outsourcing WILL come back to bite, and very VERY hard.

Sidd of Perth 9:55am January 21, 2009

We could see this comming a mile off, I bet the other banks are nervously checking thier outsourcing arrangements. I do not understand why a company would outsource support and maintainance of their key systems off shore. There are non core functions that are portable and it makes sense to outsource. Well the suits got paid when they made the intially cost savings and have walked away with handsome pay packets..

buzzi of Melbourne 9:53am January 21, 2009

"The bank has a number of contingency plans....%u201D Translation: this is a risk that NAB and NAB IT in particular have not planned for. They do not have a solid response strategy. The key question is whose head should roll?

Morgan of Brisbane 9:49am January 21, 2009

Well that's what you get for trying to sell out Australian jobs to save a buck... you lose more!

Shobhit of Melbourne 9:42am January 21, 2009

Good Morning Mahesh, Can you stop adding fuel to fire. Cheers!!! Shobhit

jxa4oz of sydney 9:32am January 21, 2009

I saw many companies, in the name of cost cutting, ready to send almost all project for offshoring. And send a person home (redundancy :-), who has indepth knowdege having 20 yrs of experience. The cost cutting is the major concern for many companies, not the knowledge of the system. Many top companies, see and count the numbers, not the knowledge. If offshoring happens beyond the limit, local companies and community should face the consequences.

Helmet Cheese of Perth 9:15am January 21, 2009

As a 20 year AU Bank IT veteran (admittedly one who has spent the last 10 working in Europe), I find the fact that AU Banks who decimated their in house IT ranks (and all the organisational knowledge they had) being shafted gives me a sense of complete satisfaction.

Microsoft to Axe 5000 jobs

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The software giant becomes the latest company to announce major job cuts as quarterly profits sink 11%.

First mass layoffs in the company's history. Read Steve Ballmer's memo.

Comes one day after Intel announces mass firings as well.

Life, Imagine The Potential

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Monday, January 19, 2009


ECGMA says: Thanks Doug!

Monday, January 19, 2009 8:56:23 AM
Subject: FW: Pets

The following was found posted very low on a refrigerator door.

Dear Dogs and Cats: The dishes with the paw prints are yours and contain your food. The other dishes are mine and contain my food. Placing a paw print in the middle of my plate and food does not stake a claim for it becoming your food and dish, nor do I find that aesthetically pleasing in the slightest.

The stairway was not designed by NASCAR and is not a racetrack. Racing me to the bottom is not the object. Tripping me doesn't help because I fall faster than you can run.

I cannot buy anything bigger than a king sized bed. I am very sorry about this. Do not think I will continue sleeping on the couch to ensure your comfort, however. Dogs and cats can actually curl up in a ball when they sleep. It is not necessary to sleep perpendicular to each other, stretched out to the fullest extent possible. I also know that sticking tails straight out and having tongues hanging out on the other end to maximize space is nothing but sarcasm.

For the last time, there is no secret exit from the bathroom! If, by some miracle, I beat you there and manage to get the door shut, it is not necessary to claw, whine, meow, try to turn the knob or get your paw under the edge in an attempt to open the door. I must exit through the same door I entered. Also, I have been using the bathroom for years - canine/feline attendance is not required.

The proper order for kissing is: Kiss me first, then go smell the other dog or cat's butt. I cannot stress this enough.

Finally, in fairness, dear pets, I have posted the following message on the front door:


(1) They live here. You don't...
(2) If you don't want their hair on your clothes, stay off the
furniture. That's why they call it 'fur'-niture.
(3) I like my pets a lot better than I like most people.
(4) To you, they are animals. To me, they are adopted sons/daughters
who are short, hairy, walk on all fours and don't speak clearly.

Remember, dogs and cats are better than kids because they
(1) eat less,
(2) don't ask for money all the time,
(3) are easier to train,
(4) normally come when called,
(5) never ask to drive the car,
(6) don't hang out with drug-using people;
(7) don't smoke or drink,
(8) don't want to wear your clothes,
(9) don't have to buy the latest fashions,
(10) don't need a gazillion dollars for college and
(11) if they get pregnant, you can sell their children ..,

Heartbreak, Heartbreak and Heartbreak in Gaza

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Of all the tragedies to befall the Palestinians, few have been as utterly, utterly and utterly heartbreaking as the story that has been emerging in the last 24 hours of a Palestinian doctor who lost three of his daughters in an apparent Israeli strike in Gaza on Friday. A niece of the doctor was also killed, and another daughter and another niece were seriously wounded.

Dr. Ezzeldeen Abu al-Aish has been speaking movingly on Israeli television of the loss of his daughters, Bisan, 20, a business student who had participated in a peace camp with Israeli youth in the U.S., Mayar, 15, and Aya, 14, and his niece, Nur, 17.

Fluent in Hebrew, Abu al-Aish had spent many years working with Israeli hospitals. During the three-week Gaza war, he has frequently been interviewed on Israeli TV about the conditions on the ground in Gaza. Abu al-Aish's home is in the Jabaliya refugee camp, north of Gaza City and near the border. An Israeli army spokesman said that IDF solidiers had apparently been returning fire from Palestinian fighters who had fired on them from the area.

Israeli TV viewers witnessed a phone call from Abu al-Aish to a television journalist Friday night in which he wailed, "My daughters have been killed!" Visibly moved, the journalists proceeded to assist Abu al-Aish in getting injured family members across the Gaza border for emergency medical assistance in Israel.

Adding to Abu al-Aish's grief, however, he was jeered by several angry Israelis on Saturday while talking to reporters at the Chaim Sheba medical center in Tel Hashomer after making an emotional plea to Israelis "to live together" with Palestinians. The confrontation occurred hours before Israeli PM Ehud Olmert announced a unilateral Israeli ceasefire in Gaza, possibly bringing an end to the conflict.

Israel's Y-Net news site identified one of the jeering Israelis as the mother of three IDF soldiers serving in Gaza, and quoted her yelling, "Why is he engaging in propaganda? He's talking against Israel at the Sheba hospital. You should all be ashamed. All my children are serving in Gaza. Who knows what he had at his home? What's wrong with you, have you all gone crazy? My son is in the paratroopers, who knows what you had inside your home, nobody is talking about that. Nobody is talking. Who knows what kind of weapons were in your house. So what if he's a doctor? The soldiers knew exactly. They had weapons inside the home, you should be ashamed. I have three soldiers, why are they firing at them? All of you should be ashamed."

Afterwards, Abu al-Aish continued speaking about his daughters, according to Y-Net:

"They participated in peace camps everywhere. Were they armed when they were killed? They were not armed with weapons, but rather, with love, love for others. They planned to travel to Canada. I got a job in Canada and they wanted to come with me. Why did they ruin my hopes? My children.

"I turn to all of you, to the entire world, so you know that my children were the ultimate price, and I don't want anyone to taste what I suffered. I want them to be the ultimate price for a ceasefire, that's what I want. The Israeli government should tell the truth. I want my children to be the victims of peace…I am armed with love and peace. This is what I'm armed with. My children were armed with love and peace."

Abu al-Aish, 52, reportedly lost his wife to Leukemia four months earlier.

--By Scott MacLeod/Cairo

Palestinian doctor Ezzeldeen Abu al-Aish was giving Israel's Channel 10 his daily account from inside the war zone in Gaza when three of his daughters were killed in an Israeli attack.
In his report, he called for help as his house was attacked.
Al Jazeera's Roza Ibragimova reports.

Friday, January 16, 2009

What might cause your car to "Shimmy"

ECGMA says: Thanks Doug! (Click on the images to enlarge)

----- Forwarded Message ----
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:35:16 AM
Subject: FW: What might cause your car to "Shimmy"

Get this guy a "Here's Stupid" sign to put around his neck.

Drive line Vibration Issue - Possible Root Cause

This guy ran over a mattress and decided to keep going. The ensuing jumble finally whipped around enough to put a tear in the gas tank, the subsequent lack of fuel is what finally brought this vehicle to its knees.

It had still managed to drive 30 more miles decently with a 60 lb. tangle wrapped around the drive shaft.

This genius complained that the vehicle had a "shimmy" when driving at high speeds.

This is what the dealership found..............